The 4th Wave in Therapy
The 4th Wave in Therapy explores emerging breakthroughs, technologies, and pioneering approaches in mental health and therapy. Hosted by Dr Peta Stapleton, it examines how innovation is reshaping healing, personal growth, and wellbeing. Each episode aims to make new therapeutic developments accessible to listeners.
Episodes
Bryan Hubbard
From Depression to Discovery: The Story Behind Timelight
In this episode of The Fourth Wave in Therapy, Peta interviewed Bryan Hubbard about his therapeutic method Timelight, which he developed after overcoming chronic depression. Bryan shared his personal journey, including early childhood trauma and a decade-long struggle with depression, and explained how this led him to explore the en
Lynne McTaggart
This interview with Lynne McTaggart explored her pioneering research on quantum energy fields and intention-based healing. McTaggart explained her concept of "The Field" - a quantum energy field where subatomic particles exchange information and energy, demonstrating how this field can be harnessed for healing through group intention experiments. She detailed her work conducting 42 experi
Eben Alexander
This podcast episode features Dr. Eben Alexander discussing his near-death experience (NDE) in 2008, when he was in a week-long coma from a deadly E. coli bacterial meningitis infection. During his NDE, Alexander described ascending through multiple spiritual realms, including a Gateway Valley with thousands of souls dancing and a core realm filled with divine love, where he encountered a
Yves Wauthier-Freymann
This episode of "Fourth Wave in Therapy" featured an interview with Yves Wauthier-Freymann, creator of the Self-Emotional Balancing method, discussing his journey from personal trauma to developing an integrated approach to treating complex trauma and attachment disorders. Yves shares his background in psychotherapy and energy psychology, including training with various modalities like EF
Alice W. Lee
This podcast episode featured Dr. Alice Lee, a holistic and integrative psychiatrist practicing in Stamford, Connecticut, discussing her journey into energy psychology and medicine. Dr. Lee explained how she first encountered Thought Field Therapy (TFT) in 2003 through Mark Botnick, which led her to develop criteria-based energy testing techniques that go beyond traditional muscle testing
Suzanne Zacharia
Peta interviewed Suzanne Zacharia, a complementary therapist and EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) trainer, about her journey into EFT and her professional work. Suzanne shared how she discovered EFT after a serious illness (COPD) at university led her to explore alternative therapies, starting with hypnotherapy before finding EFT more effective. She discussed her personal transformation
Lori Chortkoff Hops
In this episode, Peta interviewed Dr. Lori Hops, a licensed psychologist based in California, about her work on division consciousness versus unity consciousness. Dr. Hops explained division consciousness as a toxic form of separation that leads to tearing down rather than building, using the analogy of oxen quarreling and leaving themselves vulnerable to attack. She described unity consc
Aimie Apigian
This episode of "The Fourth Wave in Therapy" featured a conversation between Peta and Dr. Amy Apigian, a double board-certified physician in preventative and addiction medicine and leading voice in trauma biology. Dr. Apigian shared how her personal experience with grief and chronic fatigue syndrome in 2014 led her to discover the connection between trauma and physical health, prompting h
Denise Duffield-Thomas
In this episode, Peta and Denise dig into why so many women in the helping professions struggle to charge for their work. Denise traces these money blocks back to deep-seated beliefs about the value of helping others, rooted in the historical roles women have played as caregivers and "wise women." Peta adds that this isn't just a mindset issue—it's also a training gap, noting that even ac
Anna Yusim
This podcast episode featured Dr. Anna Yusim, a board-certified psychiatrist and lecturer at Yale Medical School, discussing the integration of spirituality into mental health treatment. Dr. Anna shared her personal journey from traditional medical training to embracing spiritual principles, including experiences with predictive dreams and psychic phenomena that led her to explore alterna
Mitchell Abrams
This podcast episode featured Dr. Mitchell Abrams (Mitch), a Canadian radiologist and founder of NextGen Health, discussing his journey from traditional medicine to embracing compassion and heart coherence practices. Dr. Abrams explained how his own heart condition and experience in India led him to discover ancient wisdom about energy and consciousness that was missing from Western medic
Gabriëlle Rutten
This podcast episode featured Dr. Gabrielle Rutten, the appointed successor to Gary Craig, discussing the evolution of EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) and the introduction of Optimal EFT. Gabrielle shared her journey from medical doctor to EFT practitioner, explaining how Gary Craig originally developed both EFT tapping and EFT meditation (now called Optimal EFT) with a spiritual found
Emma-Leigh Senyard
This podcast episode featured Dr Peta interviewing Dr. Emma Leigh Senyard, a clinical psychologist who shared her personal journey with chronic illness and how she incorporated mind-body approaches to heal. Emma described developing medical symptoms after having her first daughter in 2021, which led to a diagnosis of mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS) and heart condition, followed by a
Siri Erickson
This podcast episode featured Dr Peta interviewing Dr. Siri Erickson, a certified menopause doula and clinical EFT practitioner who developed the Meno EFT method. They discussed the biological changes during perimenopause, including hormone fluctuations that can lead to anxiety, sleep issues, and other symptoms, with Siri explaining how declining progesterone and erratic estrogen levels i
Dr Carol Look
Dr Carol Look
In this engaging conversation, Dr. Carol Look, a founding EFT master, shares her journey from traditional psychotherapy to energy psychology, emphasising the transformative power of EFT tapping and gratitude. The discussion explores the concepts of healing, anxiety, resistance, and family patterns, while highlighting the importance of finding one's own 'yes' and the scientif
Gavin Abeyratne
Gavin Abeyratne
In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Gavin Abeyratne, exploring the intersection of leadership, personal development, and innovative therapeutic practices. They discuss the emergence of the fourth wave in therapy, the impact of limiting beliefs on leadership, and the importance of understanding the six forces of change that a
Dr Gina Cleo
Dr Gina Cleo
In this episode, Dr. Gina Cleo discusses the science of habit change and its profound impact on wellbeing. She shares her personal journey into habit science, emphasizing the importance of understanding how habits are formed and how they can be changed. The conversation explores the neuroscience behind habits, the role of dopamine, and practical strategies for establish
Marcus Pearce
Marcus Pearce
In this engaging conversation, Dr Peta Stapleton and Marcus Pearce explore the themes of longevity, life design, and the cultural practices of blue zones that contribute to exceptional aging. They discuss the importance of purpose, connection, and active learning in fostering a fulfilling life. The conversation emphasizes the need to shift beliefs about aging and the s
Dr Hayley Kelly
Dr Hayley Kelly
In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Hayley Kelly, a clinical psychologist, discussing the challenges within the mental health system, the burnout faced by therapists, and the disconnect between therapy practices and business skills. They explore the evolving expectations of clients and the need for innovation in therapy to better serve the communi
Kerry Neilson
Kerry Neilson
In this episode, Dr. Peta Stapleton reconnects with Kerry Neilson, a quantum empowerment and transformation coach. They explore the cultural misconceptions surrounding change, the significance of personal awakening, and the interplay between science and spirituality in the transformation process. Kerry shares her profound journey of recovery from alcoholism, emphasising the
Emma Gray
Emma Gray
In this episode, Dr Peta Stapleton interviews Emma Gray, a clinical psychologist and meditation teacher, about her mission to support women in discovering their soul's calling. Emma shares her personal journey, the tools she uses to help clients overcome self-doubt, and the integration of science and spirituality in therapy. They discuss common limiting beliefs that hold women b
Dr Lorne Brown
Dr Lorne Brown
In this engaging conversation, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Lorne Brown, exploring the intersection of acupuncture and tapping therapies like EFT. They discuss how emotions are stored in the body, the importance of daily tapping for emotional regulation, and the impact of cosmetic procedures on acupoints. The conversation delves into specific acupoints, their significa
Dr Larry Burk
Dr Larry Burk
In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Larry Burk, a holistic musculoskeletal radiologist, about the mind-body connection, particularly focusing on frozen shoulder and the emotions associated with it. They discuss Larry's personal journey into holistic healing, the role of emotions like anger and grief in physical ailments, a
Dr Tomas Frymann
Dr Tomas Frymann
In this enlightening conversation, Peta Stapleton speaks with Dr Tomas Frymann, founder of As We Wake, about the transformative potential of psychedelic therapy. They explore Tomas's personal journey with psychedelics, the profound experiences of oneness, and the scientific underpinnings of how psychedelics can aid in mental health treatment, particularly for PTSD. The di
Celina Tonkin
Celina Tonkin
In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Celina Tonkin about her personal journey with a Desmoid tumor and how she utilized Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) to navigate her health crisis. They discuss the emotional challenges faced during diagnosis, the role of tapping in managing anxiety and pain, and the insights gained from her experiences. Selena shares her reflectio
Dr Joe Vitale
Dr Joe Vitale
This interview was a dream come true. Imagine chatting to Dr Joe Vitale!
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Joe Vitale shares insights into Ho'oponopono, a Hawaiian healing technique that emphasizes personal responsibility and inner transformation. He explains the significance of the four key phrases used in this practice and recounts his journey to discover Ho'oponopono
Dr Megan Lee
Dr Megan Lee
Dr Megan Lee is an assistant professor of psychology at Bond University and the secretary of the International Society of Nutritional Psychiatry Research. Dr Lee has published articles on dietary patterns and depression, intuitive eating, and the role of nutrition in mental health.
To make contact about the therapist study Megan mentioned at the end, Email: melee@bond.ed
Dr Philip Friedman
Dr Philip Friedman
Peta and Dr Phil have the most extraordinary conversation here. They actually share about how Phil trained under the Cognitive Behavioural Therapy giants and greats, when CBT was just emerged and considered quackery and ridiculous. Phil shares that he has seen many therapies be rejected and then embraced - this was a refreshing conversation! It also gave me great hope i
Dr Christine McKee
Dr Christine McKee
Dr Peta talks with Dr Christine McKee in this episode - about relationships and relational health. They discuss the role of the autonomic nervous system in deep connection, and intimacy, and the different tools that can be used to regulate (oneself and in a couple).
Chris discusses her approach to working with couples in therapy, focusing on somatic and
Dr Bob Schwarz
Dr Bob Schwarz
In this conversation, Peta Stapleton and Dr. Bob Schwartz discuss the concept of the fourth wave in therapy and the role of energy psychology. They explore the importance of integrating the body into therapy and the connection between energy psychology and polyvagal theory. They also discuss the challenges of acceptance in the traditional field of therapy and the need for m
Mary Sise
Mary Sise
Mary Sise discusses the integration of spirituality in therapy and the importance of addressing trauma before introducing spiritual concepts. She explains the process of soul weaving, which involves bringing the client's present self back to their younger self to heal and integrate fragmented aspects. This process allows clients to develop a loving relationship with themselves a
Dr Kim D'Eramo
Dr Kim D'Eramo
Dr. Kim D'Eramo, a physician and practitioner of mind-body medicine, discusses the concept of miraculous healing and the importance of taking science one step further. She emphasizes the connection between emotional distress and physical symptoms, highlighting the role of fear and shame in suppressing the body's natural healing abilities. Dr. D'Eramo shares her personal jou
Dr Christine Gibson
Dr Christine Gibson
In this conversation with Peta, Dr. Christine Gibson discusses her journey into trauma work and the importance of trauma-informed care in the medical field. She emphasizes the need for a paradigm shift in understanding the mind-body connection and the impact of trauma on physical and mental health. Dr. Gibson shares practical tools and techniques from her book, The Mod
Naomi Janzen
Naomi Janzen
Naomi Janzen shares her personal journey of discovering EFT and how it transformed her life. She initially dismissed tapping as ridiculous but later turned to it during a period of severe depression. After just a week of tapping for two hours a day, she experienced a profound shift and a sense of joy and lightness. Naomi emphasizes the importance of addressing deep issues in
Tapas Fleming
Tapas Fleming
In this episode, Tapas Fleming, a pioneer in the energy psychology field, shares her journey of developing the Tapas Acupressure Technique (TAT). She was inspired to create a simpler, faster, and cheaper way to help her clients overcome allergies. Through her exploration, she discovered specific acupuncture points that, when touched, improved the effectiveness of her t
Brad Yates
Brad Yates
In this conversation, I interview EFT pioneer (and YouTube Tapping star) Brad Yates about his experience with EFT(Emotional Freedom Techniques). We discuss how Brad discovered EFT, the evolution of his practice, and the common issues that people seek EFT for. Brad shares his vision for the future of EFT and the impact it can have on individuals and society as a whole.
Welcome to the 4th Wave in Therapy Podcast
Welcome to The 4th Wave in Therapy, the podcast exploring the latest breakthroughs in mental health care! Join us as we dive into cutting-edge advancements, from emerging technologies to innovative approaches reshaping how we heal and grow. Each episode features expert insights from clinicians and innovators, offering you a unique look at the future of therapy. Whether you're a profession
